tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3390382704873671828.post8044005600904055406..comments2023-11-03T07:23:30.909-05:00Comments on The Monarchist 2.0: In praise of the PrinceUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3390382704873671828.post-89177864837323807402008-02-05T15:50:00.000-05:002008-02-05T15:50:00.000-05:00Neil, when did the people of Australia ever get a ...Neil, when did the people of Australia ever get a chance to vote on whether we should have "multiculturalism"? As Mr Bruce Ruxton used to say "if you come to this country, which is the greatest country on earth with the greatest heritage on earth, you either accept our way of life or get the bloody hell out!", on multiculturalism he would say; "we are making a nation of tribes". My favourite memory of him was when Desmond Tutu stormed into his office and Bruce stood up and said "get out of my office you bloody witch doctor". He is still about and a strong supporter of ACM. A really great Australian!David Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16964387756766124214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3390382704873671828.post-31966956298295303782008-02-05T15:44:00.001-05:002008-02-05T15:44:00.001-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.David Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16964387756766124214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3390382704873671828.post-54605968153555552432008-02-05T15:44:00.000-05:002008-02-05T15:44:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.David Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16964387756766124214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3390382704873671828.post-40663975718729317292008-02-05T13:14:00.000-05:002008-02-05T13:14:00.000-05:00Neil,I apologise for aiding in taking this post fa...Neil,<BR/><BR/>I apologise for aiding in taking this post far from its original intent, which was to praise the Prince of Wales for his principles with regard to human rights.<BR/><BR/>However, I think that there is room for a civil discussion and clarification on the topic of multiculturalism, and perhaps it deserves a separate post. <BR/><BR/>Could you please provide a definition of multiculturalism as you are using the term?<BR/><BR/>In what ways does multiculturalism, as you think of it, help or hinder the building or rebuilding of Britain as you envision it?Premodern Blokehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05341688338690161075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3390382704873671828.post-48999547699967654722008-02-05T10:59:00.000-05:002008-02-05T10:59:00.000-05:00No, Pablo, no. Please do not desist. I'd be intere...No, Pablo, no. Please do not desist. I'd be interested to hear what you have to say.<BR/><BR/>As for our little Islam debate - very "interesting".<BR/><BR/>However, I must say for the record that I do agree with Lord Best - he has saved me a lot of heated typing.<BR/><BR/>The following has certainly helped me to understand David - especially the parts on "monoculturalism", "non-white immigration" and the "white Australia policy".<BR/><BR/>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6972076.stmSir Edward Heathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10015408685370714759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3390382704873671828.post-16746207697488712192008-02-05T09:29:00.000-05:002008-02-05T09:29:00.000-05:00I was going to post a comment about Prince Charles...I was going to post a comment about Prince Charles and my pleasure at his refusal to give the Chinese the diplomatic cover of his presence at Beijing. However, this has turned into a rant about Islam, good and bad, so I will desist!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3390382704873671828.post-35714209518294625792008-02-05T06:38:00.000-05:002008-02-05T06:38:00.000-05:00You seem to be quite mad, Mr Byers. I have said in...You seem to be quite mad, Mr Byers. <BR/><BR/>I have said in this very topic that if a country is a strategic threat they must be dealt with as such. And we must observe them carefully to ascertain this. But how a sovereign country treats its own population, however reprehensible, is their business, and trying to impose our way of life and culture on them is just as evil as people who want to create an Islamic state in Britain, or wherever. Not to mention counterproductive. If a country is developing nuclear weapons, it must be dealt with as a strategic threat, because that is a strategic threat. <BR/><BR/>Maybe I shall call you Mahmoud bin Byers, as the last time I encountered such mindless vitriol was in a Wahhabi preacher. I'd rather avoid it though, as I grew out of calling people names when I was nine years old.Lord Besthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08505734600505832039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3390382704873671828.post-41322892034125904392008-02-05T05:44:00.000-05:002008-02-05T05:44:00.000-05:00Lord Best (aka Arse in the Air), when you say "As ...Lord Best (aka Arse in the Air), when you say "As to what Islamic governments to do Muslims in their own countries, that is their business, not ours." is so naive I don't know where to start. What other nations develop and do effects us all, such as Germany's arms build up in the 1930's, Churchill knew the risk others ignored. I find your pseudo- intellectualism tiresome but you seem desperate to have the last word so go ahead. But I bet more every day people agree with my view.David Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16964387756766124214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3390382704873671828.post-57110473646888802062008-02-04T22:07:00.000-05:002008-02-04T22:07:00.000-05:00Lord Best,I agree with the main thrust of your arg...Lord Best,<BR/><BR/>I agree with the main thrust of your argument. Islam was no threat to the majority of Christendom as long as it was faithful to Christ. It is only because of they spat on their inheritance in Christ, and replaced Christ with their secularist multicultural pluralism that Europe is threatened by Islam. This secularism not only destroyed the foundations of Christian culture, but created a vacuum and sucked Islam in with open arms saying, "Since there is no such thing as timeless Truth, all points of view and cultures are equally valid. Come on in!" But lets not forget that this is why Europe is now <I>attractive</I> to Muslims. They see the opportunity to build uniquely Islamic culture in Europe, something that was inconceivable 100 years ago. My point is that they have no interest in living in a nation that does not give them opportunity to build their vision of Islamic culture, whether those obstacles are by law or by the predominance of an antithetical worldview.<BR/><BR/>Restoring all that was good, true and beautiful in Western culture will only come about by the Gospel changing the hearts of men and women who will then bring the Lordship of Christ to all aspects of culture. Christ's reign was once dominant in Music, Philosophy, Art, Literature and Government throughout all of Europe. Through spiritual Reformation, He will do so again.Premodern Blokehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05341688338690161075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3390382704873671828.post-40104025981040452572008-02-04T21:33:00.000-05:002008-02-04T21:33:00.000-05:00Neil,I believe that all individual men and women h...Neil,<BR/><BR/>I believe that all individual men and women have intrinsic worth as image bearers of God, and are all equal under the law. <BR/><BR/>However, I believe that Islam as a religion is inherently, and fundamentally opposed to Christ and Christendom and all that it stands for. <BR/><BR/>There is no forgiveness and mercy in Islam. Allah is only a god of wrath. There is no grace, and there is no mercy -just judgment and retribution. Mercy is viewed as weakness.<BR/><BR/>Simply look at the predominant fruit of Islam in nearly every country in which it has flourished. It has been around now for 1300 years. What do you see?<BR/><BR/>Continental Europe has turned its face against Christ and has drunk deeply from the wells of secularism -which is just as much an enemy of Christendom as Islam. Continental Europe is clearly now post-Christian. England, Canada, and the U.S. are not far behind respectively. Historically, nations have waxed or waned depending on their corporate faithfulness to Christ. <BR/><BR/>I would speculate that it is probable that Islam is itself a judgment on unfaithful Christendom. Just as Assyria and Babylon, both wicked enemies of Israel, were used by God to judge idolatrous Israel, it is possible that Islam is a tool to bring Christians and non-Christians alike to repentance. <BR/><BR/>Do individual Muslims have a role in English society? Yes, they can contribute to the extent that they adapt themselves to the Christian principles that are part and parcel of Christendom. However, if they remain faithful to Islam, their only choice is to change their surrounding culture to accommodate their own worldview. While their numbers currently delegate them to minority status, they will tend towards enclaves. <BR/><BR/>Of course, my prayer is that the Muslims that have been immigrating into Europe en masse will be exposed to the Gospel and convert or at least become secularized into an impotent ethnic Islam. However, I am not hopeful of the former as there are so few faithful Christians left on the continent. More than likely it will be Anglicans from Africa, or Evangelicals from South Korea who will be sent to Europe to re-evangelize it 50 years from now.Premodern Blokehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05341688338690161075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3390382704873671828.post-60141169540526326442008-02-04T20:33:00.000-05:002008-02-04T20:33:00.000-05:00Interesting point Jeff.On another entry here, enti...Interesting point Jeff.<BR/><BR/>On another entry here, entitled 'We Are All Equal Under The Crown', David Byers has admitted that Muslims "have worth and a role" in British society.<BR/><BR/>Do you agree?Sir Edward Heathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10015408685370714759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3390382704873671828.post-1320345579636957852008-02-04T17:20:00.000-05:002008-02-04T17:20:00.000-05:00Next David will be telling us that everyone is soc...Next David will be telling us that everyone is socially equal under the Crown. :-)Sir Edward Heathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10015408685370714759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3390382704873671828.post-60796465956060355532008-02-04T15:10:00.000-05:002008-02-04T15:10:00.000-05:00Lord Best (aka Arse in the Air), Why on earth can ...Lord Best (aka Arse in the Air), Why on earth can I not come to the conclusion that a religion is evil? Are we robbed the ability to reason and make up our own minds? The majority of Muslims don’t know that much about their faith but if they get into it then we know the potential.David Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16964387756766124214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3390382704873671828.post-51647149425314607802008-02-04T14:54:00.000-05:002008-02-04T14:54:00.000-05:00While I am quite aware of the acceptance of “plura...While I am quite aware of the acceptance of “pluralism” and “multiculturalism” in both Europe and the U.S., I am rather surprised to find it here by those that uphold the Monarchy.<BR/><BR/>As Douglas Wilson has pointed out “..theocracy is rule by the god, not rule by the priests of that god. Every law system is a theocracy, inescapably, because every law system has an ultimate point of justification. The theocracy can be justified by appeal to Allah, the Father of Jesus Christ, Mammon (government by central bankers) or to Demos, the people. But all societies are theocracies somehow because man is inescapably religious. He requires that point of ultimate justification, the point past which there is no appeal. If you don't have a Supreme Being, you will wind up with a Supreme Court. It seems to me that every government is essentially theocratic in the sense that it bows the knee to one god or another. Here in the U.S., we bow the knee to Demos.”<BR/><BR/>I believe Mr. Wilson is correct. There is not such thing as a neutral pluralistic government. Every law is based upon some standard. The only question is upon what standard one is going to govern. You can be sure that all devout Muslims (as opposed to merely cultural or ethnic Muslims) believe the same, and I am not just talking about the ones of the Al-Qaeda variety. Even in so called “secular” Turkey, living openly as a Christian is extremely dangerous as the recent murders of Christians there has shown. One need not look any further than the Netherlands to see what is coming to the rest of “Eurabia”. Do you honestly believe that Islam is not a threat to Western Civilization?<BR/><BR/>Are the writers of this blog in favor of monarchy apart from overt and faithfully orthodox Christian underpinnings? Does the Queen or future King have no responsibility, as Supreme Governor of the Church of England and sworn protector of the Church of Scotland, to consciously and deliberately stand against idolatrous and false religion within their realm?Premodern Blokehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05341688338690161075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3390382704873671828.post-88612529487568079772008-02-04T06:50:00.000-05:002008-02-04T06:50:00.000-05:00David is right in saying Islam is a threat, not ju...David is right in saying Islam is a threat, not just to the west but all civilised society. David cannot be called a bigot as he is not targeting Muslims as people but the evil ideology that has entrapped them.<BR/><BR/>Having lived in Muslim countries such as Indonesia and Malaysia Islam is a threat that if allowed to grow, however innocuously at first is like a malignant cancer strangling all progress and creativity. Why have countries like Iraq, Iran and Egypt become violent, morally bankrupt and a threat to all when this region was once the cradle of an ancient civilisation?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3390382704873671828.post-31871562939212418852008-02-04T06:39:00.000-05:002008-02-04T06:39:00.000-05:00Lord Best (aka Arse in the Air), I take heed the w...Lord Best (aka Arse in the Air), I take heed the warnings of ex-Muslims who know, in a way you or I cannot, about the evils of Islam. For whatever reason you chose not to. To put down these brave people, who risk their lives to tell about the evil killing-cult, as just "have an axe to grind" is gutless in the extreme.<BR/><BR/>As I said put your views to them and remind us when you do so we can all see how you go.David Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16964387756766124214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3390382704873671828.post-75270957137030971172008-02-04T05:49:00.000-05:002008-02-04T05:49:00.000-05:00And perhaps we should call you a mindless bigot wh...And perhaps we should call you a mindless bigot who hides behind others arguments?<BR/>I have read many things about Islam, none of which lead me to believe it is a threat to the West. Iran may be a threat due to its conflicting strategic interests. Terrorism is a threat because it seeks to hurt us to effect political change. Marginalised Islamic ghettos in Western cities are a threat because htey undermine the fabric of society and promite extremism which in turn feeds terrorism. Islam is no more the enemy of the West than Christianity is the enemy of Reason, as many atheists and scientists claim.<BR/>My head is not in sand, it is THINKING about the issues, not just reciting nonsense from people who have an axe to grind or seek to cash in on the anti-Islamic sentiment in the West. Perhaps you should pull your head out of your posterior and put it to the use that god intended for it.Lord Besthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08505734600505832039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3390382704873671828.post-2836143897073903352008-02-03T23:08:00.000-05:002008-02-03T23:08:00.000-05:00Islam is a threat to western culture! As I said b...Islam is a threat to western culture! As I said before DO NOT take this up with me, rather go to the ex-Muslims and tell them your views, but please do let me know when you do your online debate with them so I can read it.David Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16964387756766124214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3390382704873671828.post-33068134646269553852008-02-03T21:59:00.000-05:002008-02-03T21:59:00.000-05:00Mr Byers, if you do not wish to engage in a ration...Mr Byers, if you do not wish to engage in a rational debate on the subject I suggest you refrain from commenting on the subject in future. <BR/>I believe Jesus once said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Words to live by, perhaps less time worrying about what is in the Qu'ran and more time spent on the issues facing Western culture is in order.Lord Besthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08505734600505832039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3390382704873671828.post-73131364129405382192008-02-03T04:59:00.000-05:002008-02-03T04:59:00.000-05:00Lord Best, if you think you know so much about all...Lord Best, if you think you know so much about all this then go to one of these website "faithfreedom" and debate it with them. They will debate anyone who wants to do so, see how you go. Please do not waste my time will your silly idea of if there are anything wrong in the west then we can let them off the hook. Please let us all know when you get onto the Faithfreedom website for your debate.David Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16964387756766124214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3390382704873671828.post-45537360553690473862008-02-03T04:36:00.000-05:002008-02-03T04:36:00.000-05:00Many bad things happen in Islamic countries, many ...Many bad things happen in Islamic countries, many evil things. But blaming Islam for all of them is like blaming Christianity for crime, rape, murder etc in Australia or anything other ostensibly Christian society.<BR/>Incidentally, genital mutilation, which is often blamed on Islam, is actually proscribed by the Qu'ran and is actually a pre-Islamic, predominately African tradition.<BR/>Once again fundamentalsit Islamic theocratic governments are being held to represent the entire religious community. Does Gordon Brown represent the entire English community's views? I'm astounded that people cannot see the absurdity in blaming ALL social evils in Islamic countries on the religion. Even terrorism is rooted in politics more than religion.<BR/>It is worth noting that Al Qaeda is fighting both the regimes in Saudi Arabia and Iran, both theocracies. Yet we say all these countries are united against us because we are not Islamic!<BR/>It also smacks of blind hypocrisy. We talk about mutilation, honour killings, executions and so on, yet we seem to ignore our own failings entirely in the process. Innocent people are executed in the USA, rape and violence against women are commonplace in Australia (something like two hundred thousand cases reported, estimated to be a fraction of the real number). ALL these things are abhorrent, but blaming them purely on the religion is ridiculous.<BR/>We talk about the thousands of Westerners killed in terrorist attacks, what about the thousands of Iraqi Muslims also killed by terrorists? Or the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed due to the war,and millions left homeless? <BR/>What about Turkey, a secular Islamic country, which when it attempts to crackdown on religious extremists, Christian and Islamic alike, we call upon them to allow more religious freedom! Or when their military, which is fanatically secular, threatens to intervene against the Islamist government, we condemn them.<BR/>If we drag out every stupidity, every social and cultural evil, we should make damn sure our own actions are as pure as can be instead of relying on ignorance and bigotry to take the place of rational thought.<BR/>To be honest I think the world would be far more stable, if not better, if we just left people alone to sort out their own problems instead of trying to run their countries and their cultures. We do not appreciate Muslim preachers telling us we are decadent and evil and whatnot, yet we are quite prepared to do it too them, and act all indigntant when they tell us where to put our advice. If all these unhappy ex-Muslims want something to be done about the excesses of some of the theocratic regimes, perhaps they should work on some grass roots change instead of trying to get us to waste our time imposing it on them from above.<BR/><BR/>So no one accuses me of being a liberal pacifist or what have you, I believe war is sometimes necessary. I supported, and continue to support, the occupation of Afghanistan. I did not support the War in Iraq, as it was the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time.Lord Besthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08505734600505832039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3390382704873671828.post-37922233448263382642008-02-02T21:39:00.000-05:002008-02-02T21:39:00.000-05:00Has Harper actually changed any policy with respec...Has Harper actually changed any policy with respect to the PRC, or has he just upped rhetoric about human rights while changing nothing substantive?Stevenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05321133627941151860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3390382704873671828.post-27015854011366355162008-02-02T19:30:00.000-05:002008-02-02T19:30:00.000-05:00I cannot believe you have read the Koran Neil, and...I cannot believe you have read the Koran Neil, and not have been shocked by it. How naive you are in the extreme, terrorist attacks in New York and London, honour killings of young girls, decapitations of innocent people, the destruction of the centuries old Budda statue. Yet no matter how many die, no matter how many young girls are mutilated and killed, not matter how many murders are committed by the Islamic lunatics , it’s all OK because a young guy in the UK who comes from a very privileged back ground tells us there is nothing to worry about. Can we ignore these ex-Muslims below who write for just ONE website, to warn silly people like you about the evils of Islam?:<BR/><BR/>Abul Kasem<BR/>Abdul Quddus<BR/>Adrian Morgan<BR/>A. H. Jaffor Ullah<BR/>Alamgir Hussain<BR/>Ali Sina<BR/>Alie Siraj<BR/>Amber Powlik<BR/>The Apostate<BR/>Azam Kamguian<BR/>Azar Majedi<BR/>Amil Imani<BR/>Anwar Shaikh<BR/>Ayaan Hirsi Ali Page<BR/>Ayesha Ahmed<BR/>Christopher Hitchens<BR/>CS KAralson<BR/>Denis Schulz<BR/>Fjordman<BR/>History of Jihad Page<BR/>Homa Arjomand<BR/>Ibn Warraq<BR/>Imran Hossain<BR/>Isaac Schrödinger<BR/>Jahed Ahmed<BR/>Jamal Hasan<BR/>John<BR/>Kareem Amer<BR/>Kamal Nawas<BR/>Khaled Walid<BR/>Mahfuzur Rahman<BR/>MA Khan<BR/>Maryam Namazie<BR/>Mohammad Abdullah<BR/>Mohammad Asghar<BR/>Mohammad Zaidan<BR/>Mumin Salih<BR/>No Sharia<BR/>Paolo Bassi<BR/>Peace Forever<BR/>P Fruchter<BR/>Pete Fisher<BR/>Pim's Ghost<BR/>R. Y. Alam<BR/>Salman Rushdie Page<BR/>Saudi Apostate<BR/>Shabana Muhammad<BR/>Shabnam Ali<BR/>Sher Khan<BR/>Shoaib Choudhury page<BR/>Showan Khurshid<BR/>S. Prasadh<BR/>Sujan Mointawla<BR/>Suhail Ahmad<BR/>Sujit Das<BR/>Syed Kamran Mirza<BR/>Tashbih Sayyed<BR/>Taslima Nasrin<BR/>Thomas Jefferson Page<BR/>Warner Mackenzie<BR/>Wolfgang BrunoDavid Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16964387756766124214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3390382704873671828.post-66350645363131236502008-02-02T15:00:00.000-05:002008-02-02T15:00:00.000-05:00Lord Best sums up my views perfectly - so no need ...Lord Best sums up my views perfectly - so no need for me to repeat them all again.<BR/><BR/>David, I have read and studied The Koran along with all the other Holy Books associated with every mainstream religion in the world. I have made up my mind but have drawn different conclusions to yours. I am glad I have.<BR/><BR/>"If you know good people who happen to be Muslims, they would be good people in spite of their religion not because of it." You could say that about any religion and even about non-believers. Your point is irrelevant.<BR/><BR/>"How many people do you know from the C-of-E who strap explosive to themselves and kill innocent people?" None. In the same way I do not know any Muslims who strap explosive to themselves and kill innocent people. In the 1980s a young friend of mine was blown to pieces by an IRA bomb. It does not mean I hate Irish people.<BR/><BR/>So, Young Husband would like to "remove the Monarchy from an outdated religion". The existence of a Queen or a Prince represents and points to the creative work of God. Indeed, a Christian would argue that God cannot be outdated because He recently spent His time creating you! I just feel it is very important that the Constitution (via one Church) highlights and celebrates our Royal Family - so through them we can appreciate the great mystery (and miracle) which is human birth, life and existence. There but by The Grace of God go I. So it is for a Queen, a Prince and for a Royal Family.Sir Edward Heathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10015408685370714759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3390382704873671828.post-60520660896850683522008-02-02T11:25:00.000-05:002008-02-02T11:25:00.000-05:00Lord Best- While convalescing with a hell of an il...Lord Best- While convalescing with a hell of an illness last month I discovered the joy of watching 'To Catch a Predator.' After hours of enjoyment, I came to be rather unnerved by the fact that, besides perverting the idea that one should have the right to remain silent whereas here they are induced to blab on national (well, international now) media, the age limit is confusing as it differs between states, let alone countries as you mention. But I don't want to get into such an issue here.<BR/>I'm not sure how this post morphed into a condemnation of Muslims, although I should state that I was never happy with the Prince declaring himself as "Defender of Faiths", and not only as a committed atheist. How can one defend all faiths when each claims to be the only legitimate one? I prefer strong stands as seen here with China than wishy-washy ones where One tries to be something for everyone. All the more reason to remove the Monarchy from an outdated religion.<BR/>lastly, I agree completely with Splendor Sine Occasu. Harper is finally a leader of Canada I can support.Keirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17780519140837852601noreply@blogger.com